http://codepink.org/blog/2010/02/drones-made-locally-killing-globally/ the Personal is Political Thu, 29 Dec 2011 03:47:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 http://codepink.org/blog/2010/02/drones-made-locally-killing-globally/comment-page-1/#comment-3268 admin Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:02:11 +0000 http://codepink4peace.org/blog/?p=2816#comment-3268 Hi Jim, Your questions and comments are anything but quick and deserving of a thoughtful response. Twice you mention not hating "the people that don't even care about America" and I am confused as to whom you are referring. Do you mean those lumped into "collateral damage", the hundreds, thousands of Afghan civilians or those who "blew up the WTC"? Your questions only give me more questions. Why wouldn't someone be outraged at the thought of innocent civilians dying--those who have nothing to do with the struggle/the warring, who are unfortunately associated by their location. There is obvious outrage for those who died in the WTC, and I'm going to go out on the same limb that you have and assume that those people in those towers didn't really care about Afghanistan. So why are they more important? Secondly, you saying that it the collateral damage in dead civilians is worth the death of those who are of higher value (assuming you mean Al-qaeda leaders, etc) and that is placing your own value judgment on someone else's life and deciding that some are worth more than others. It is that kind of thinking Jim that I think gets all of us into this never ending cycle of violence and oppression (hello colonialism). And lastly, I thoroughly believe that the idea of "they shot first, we're just ending the fight" is an over simplified way of looking at history. Terrorism did not start with the WTC, US involvement in Afghanistan and that part of the world didn't begin then either. We must dig deeper if we are truly going to change. Thanks Jim. Hi Jim,
Your questions and comments are anything but quick and deserving of a thoughtful response. Twice you mention not hating “the people that don’t even care about America” and I am confused as to whom you are referring. Do you mean those lumped into “collateral damage”, the hundreds, thousands of Afghan civilians or those who “blew up the WTC”? Your questions only give me more questions. Why wouldn’t someone be outraged at the thought of innocent civilians dying–those who have nothing to do with the struggle/the warring, who are unfortunately associated by their location. There is obvious outrage for those who died in the WTC, and I’m going to go out on the same limb that you have and assume that those people in those towers didn’t really care about Afghanistan. So why are they more important? Secondly, you saying that it the collateral damage in dead civilians is worth the death of those who are of higher value (assuming you mean Al-qaeda leaders, etc) and that is placing your own value judgment on someone else’s life and deciding that some are worth more than others. It is that kind of thinking Jim that I think gets all of us into this never ending cycle of violence and oppression (hello colonialism). And lastly, I thoroughly believe that the idea of “they shot first, we’re just ending the fight” is an over simplified way of looking at history. Terrorism did not start with the WTC, US involvement in Afghanistan and that part of the world didn’t begin then either. We must dig deeper if we are truly going to change.
Thanks Jim.

]]> http://codepink.org/blog/2010/02/drones-made-locally-killing-globally/comment-page-1/#comment-3264 Jim Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:20:02 +0000 http://codepink4peace.org/blog/?p=2816#comment-3264 Quick question, what is your definition of innocent and why do you feel the need to repeat it over and over? It's an attempt to draw outrage. People like you trump out the number's of innocents that died and it is sad, I don't hate the people that don't even care about America. But when you think of other numbers involved, like the total number of insurgents involved or the high value of some targets, is the collateral damage worth it? I say, yes. Like i said, i don't hate them, but if someone had not decided that America was the evil West and blown up the WTC, things would be different. They shot first, we're just ending the fight. Quick question, what is your definition of innocent and why do you feel the need to repeat it over and over? It’s an attempt to draw outrage. People like you trump out the number’s of innocents that died and it is sad, I don’t hate the people that don’t even care about America. But when you think of other numbers involved, like the total number of insurgents involved or the high value of some targets, is the collateral damage worth it? I say, yes. Like i said, i don’t hate them, but if someone had not decided that America was the evil West and blown up the WTC, things would be different. They shot first, we’re just ending the fight.

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