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		<title>AFGHAN WOMEN SPEAK OUT: ZOYA &amp; MALALAI JOYA ON TOUR</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The women of Afghanistan, after eight years of occupation, offer conflicting advice, depending on their position in society.  If the women are in Kabul, are educated and affluent, and have family members in office or are part of the government, they sometimes say, &#8220;our safety is in danger if U.S. troops leave.&#8221;  If the women are in the countryside (and 90% are) they say, &#8220;get the troops out now. Our rights, our freedoms, our safety have not improved in eight years of occupation &#8212; and the occupation fuels the insurgency.&#8221;  In this complex war-torn nation, both opinions are valid.  But according to MP Dr. Roshnak Wardak, all women in Afghanistan still lack basic rights except on paper, and all women in Afghanistan <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaXpO2QEtxA">live in an ever-escalating war zone.</a> As another brutal winter approaches, the humanitarian crisis of Afghanistan worsens—people resort to eating grass and they shiver in canvas tents.</p>
<p>During October, RAWA (the <a href="http://www.rawa.org/">Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan</a>) sponsored a speaking tour of the U.S. RAWA is the oldest women&#8217;s organization in Afghanistan, founded in 1977 to work for women&#8217;s rights and education, and is a very credible source. Their members risk personal safety and dedicate their lives to improving conditions for all Afghan women; many have been assassinated, included RAWA&#8217;s founder, Meena.</p>
<p>Zoya is a RAWA member whose parents were killed by extremists in Afghanistan when she was in her teens. She honors her mother&#8217;s work for women&#8217;s rights by continuing in her footsteps. Education of women, often in refugee camps and orphanages, has produced a generation of women like Zoya who are able in turn to educate us about conditions in their country.  On an October 25 conference call, Zoya said, “It&#8217;s the same now as RAWA was saying eight years ago. It is impossible to import democracy. Democracy must be achieved by the people. Thousand of troops and billions of dollars have not achieved any positive change. Democracy cannot be practiced in a country ruled by warlords and drug lords.” She has seen the U.S. supporting the war criminals of the Northern Alliance against the Taliban, but  “the Northern Alliance are also terrorists, and so they are happy with the presence of the Taliban. They may even be helping to arm the Taliban.  We are tired of this deception.”  She added more on this topic during a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaXpO2QEtxA">speech at Boston&#8217;s Oct 17 antiwar rally</a> in Copley Square.</p>
<p>Zoya thanked antiwar activists for speaking out and supporting self-determination for Afghanistan. She said she has met many Americans who are not aware of the true situation because “the media misled them.” Her call? “Educate! Organize! Expose the truth of the occupation!”</p>
<p>Malalai Joya is an Afghan woman who rocketed to fame when she was ejected from Afghanistan&#8217;s constitutional assembly in 2003, silenced for complaining that there were war criminals among her fellow delegates. She was later elected to Parliament and then thrown out in 2005 for making the same statement. On tour in the U.S. during October, in <a href="http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2009/10/28/malalai-joya-afghanistan/">an interview with Laura Flanders on GritTV</a>, Malalai had this advice for antiwar Americans:  “First you should raise your voice very strongly against occupation in Afghanistan, against the war crimes of your government. Support the democratic kind of people in my country&#8230;morally support them, financially support them, and support education. And, why not put Bush in the International Criminal Court?”</p>
<p>Both Zoya and Malalai must live in safe houses and move frequently, as their truth-telling has resulted in death threats against them.  Yet asked what she fears, Malalai said: “I don&#8217;t fear death. I fear political silence against injustice.”  And from her website <a href="http://www.malalaijoya.com/index1024.htm">Malaijoya.com</a> this statement, echoes fears raised during the rise of fascism in 20th century Europe: &#8220;The silence of good people is worse than the actions of bad people.&#8221;</p>
<p>In January, 1980 during the first month of what would be a decade of Soviet occupation, an Afghan man in Kabul told me fiercely: “As long as there is ONE Afghan still alive, the Russians will NEVER rule our country!”  Empires that have failed to subdue Afghanistan include the Macedonians under Alexander, the Safavid Persians, the Romans, the British, the Russians, and now, the U.S.  Although our robotic killer drones strike wedding parties and funerals, crossing into Pakistan freely, the insurgency grows.  We are creating terrorists faster than we can kill them. But maybe that&#8217;s the real goal?</p>
<p>Speak up and expose the so-called war on terror for what it really is: a marketing strategy for corporate profits.</p>
<p>Call on your government to ground the drones and bring the troops home now!</p>
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		<title>GritTV: Women&#8217;s Roundtable on Afghanistan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paris</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[CODEPINK&#8217;s Jodie Evans joins Kristen L. Rouse, founder of Veterans for Afghanistan; Nasrine Gross, President of Roqia Center for Rights, Studies and Education; and Yifat Susskind, communications director for MADRE on GritTV last week to discuss Afghanistan. Also in the show, the bravest woman in Afghanistan, Malalai Joya.  She is currently touring with her new book, A Woman Among Warlords:  The Extraordinary Story [...]]]></description>
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<p>CODEPINK&#8217;s Jodie Evans joins Kristen L. Rouse, founder of <a href="http://www.veteransforafghanistan.org/">Veterans for Afghanistan</a>; Nasrine Gross, President of <a href="http://kabultec.org/">Roqia Center for Rights, Studies and Education</a>; and Yifat Susskind, communications director for <a href="http://www.madre.org/">MADRE</a> on GritTV last week to discuss Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Also in the show, the bravest woman in Afghanistan, <a style="text-decoration: none; color: #0f6691;" href="http://malalaijoya.com/index1024.htm" target="_blank">Malalai Joya</a>.  She is currently touring with her new book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/143910946X?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=lauraflanders-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=143910946X">A Woman Among Warlords:  The Extraordinary Story of an Afghan Who Dared to Raise Her Voice</a>.  Check out her <a href="http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Malalai-Joya/49986851/author_appearances">current book tour</a> through the U.S.</p>
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		<title>Afghan Women Speak Out:  Dr. Roshnak Wardak</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paris</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Jodie Evans: I am just returning from my 10-day trip to Afghanistan. As we left, a farm was bombed and eight members of a family were killed. Eight U.S. soldiers also lost their lives in an insurgent raid on their outpost. And today marks the 8th anniversary of the US Invasion of that war [...]]]></description>
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<p><em>From Jodie Evans:</em></p>
<p>I am just returning from my 10-day trip to Afghanistan.   As we left, a farm was bombed and eight members of a family were killed.  Eight U.S. soldiers also lost their lives in an insurgent raid on their outpost.  And today marks the 8th anniversary of the US Invasion of that war torn country.</p>
<p>We have spent a quarter of a trillion dollars in those 8 years and what have we got for all that time, money, and suffering?  Most of the country is in worse condition, the Taliban have been growing in strength and number, the bordering countries are more unstable and death fills the air.</p>
<p>We went to hear what the women of Afghanistan thought about the push for more troops.  We spoke with journalists, doctors, activists, NGOs, members of government, and average Afghan women.  Most of the women do not want more troops.  Instead, they need support to sustain their lives.  They want that money spent on what we really need to bring peace: investment in the people of Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Everything we have done in eight years has no plan &#8211; just short-term solutions with long-term catastrophic effects.  Afghans want education, jobs, healthcare, infrastructure. They want us to send troops of doctors, teachers, engineers and business leaders &#8211; not more soldiers.  Yet we have continued to support a situation that fuels insurgency instead of a sustainable culture.   Ninety percent of the funding to Afghanistan is used for military spending and only 10 percent has been used for development.  Obama already authorized an additional 21,000 troops this year and Gen. McChrystal is expected to ask for an additional 40,000 troops.</p>
<p>Member of Parliament and gynecologist Dr. Roshnak Wardak speaks about the situation in her province.  We have to do all we can to stop another surge.  As Americans, we need to <a href="http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/424/t/8834/petition.jsp?petition_KEY=2124">stand with the women of Afghanistan</a> and fight for development, not troops.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Medea</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We started out the day visiting a women’s magazine called Roz. We were amazed at how “risqué” the photos were (we couldn’t read the articles)—women without scarves and with lots of make-up. We asked if they had problems publishing such photos and they said no, but that one time they published a photo of a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We started out the day visiting a women’s magazine called Roz. We were amazed at how “risqué” the photos were (we couldn’t read the articles)—women without scarves and with lots of make-up. We asked if they had problems publishing such photos and they said no, but that one time they published a photo of a woman with a sleeveless blouse and that was a problem. The journalists write about everything from fashion to AIDS to profiles of women politicians.</p>
<p>We returned after that to the conference on peace and security between Afghan, Pakistani and Indian women. We videoed several women about their views on the U.S. call for 40,000 more troops. Some women said yes, we need more troops, but most said no—instead train the Afghan military, hold reconciliation talks and put more money into social needs and job problems. We hope the post the responses as youtubes when we get home. We also wrote up a letter to President Obama saying no more troops, and asked the women to sign. The organizer of the conference must get US government money because she freaked out and wouldn’t let us circulate the letter! Instead, we talked to some of the women during the breaks, and many of them signed. (In the evening, Jodie got the wife of Karzai’s brother to sign on!)</p>
<p>Since we are returning tomorrow, we took time to do some shopping along Chicken Street—buying jewelry, shawls, dresses, bedspreads, purses… The shopping break was a nice diversion from all the sitting and talking.</p>
<p>In the afternoon we spent time with two amazing women who were among the main organizers of the protest against the Shia law that would have legalized marital rape and codified the unequal status of women. This was the first protest these women had ever participated in, and they were terrified to face to mullahs and fundamentalists who accused the women of being anti-Muslim. Some were beaten on the day of the march, but they remain strong and determined to keep improving the status of women.</p>
<p>Tonight we had a terrific meal at the home of Karzai’s businessman brother, Mahmoud Karzai, and his wife. The guests included businessmen who had security companies, the president’s first deputy chief of staff (a woman), the president’s economic advisor, journalists, a UN rep and more. We all had great conversations and realized how lucky we were to have, once again, such great access to so many different opinions (at the dinner, someone from our group remarked that back home, it would be like having dinner at the home of Jeb Bush!).</p>
<p>Tomorrow is our last day and we will back it in with more meetings, including university students—something we are all looking forward to.</p>
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		<title>Afghan Women Speak Out: Deja-vu? (+ audio interview)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jodie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just posted this new piece, &#8220;Put Down The Pom-Poms,&#8221; to Huffington Post (and it&#8217;s circulating elsewhere, like on CommonDreams) on Vice President Biden&#8217;s comments last week that war in Afghanistan is a justified &#8220;sacrifice&#8221; to &#8220;protect&#8221; Americans from terrorism. As someone who helped found CODEPINK six years ago in response to the Bush administration&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just posted this new piece, &#8220;<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jodie-evans/put-down-the-pom-poms_b_246917.html">Put Down The Pom-Poms</a>,&#8221; to Huffington Post (and it&#8217;s circulating elsewhere, like on <a href="http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/07/30-12">CommonDreams</a>) on Vice President Biden&#8217;s comments last week that war in Afghanistan is a justified &#8220;sacrifice&#8221; to &#8220;protect&#8221; Americans from terrorism. As someone who helped found CODEPINK six years ago in response to the Bush administration&#8217;s rush into war, his words were a particularly chilling deja-vu&#8230;from the piece:</p>
<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s shocking, really, from an administration that promised change, this couldn&#8217;t sound like more of the same misleading rhetoric that tricked Americans into the bloody, unjust war in Iraq. For seven long years, Bush &amp; Co. argued that &#8220;Islamist terrorists&#8221; of the Middle East would run free and Americans would be in constant danger of another Sept. 11 &#8212; end of story. By inflating the threat of attack with faulty logic, the administration scared Americans into ignoring facts and supporting a massive push of troops into a largely innocent country.</p></blockquote>
<p>With my piece, I included an Afghan woman&#8217;s critique of the occupation, in the interview conducted by CODEPINK activist and journalist, Liz Kimmerly. It&#8217;s really fascinating to hear her voice and learn her perspective, so be sure to check that out, too.</p>
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		<title>Afghan Women Speak Out: Malali Bashir (part I)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jodie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As part of its mission to highlight and promote the stories and perspectives of Afghan women, CODEPINK has launched an ongoing series of print, audio and video interviews &#8220;Afghan Women Speak Out,&#8221; conversations with leading international women activists and policymakers. In light of the current debate in Congress over a $94 billion war funding supplemental [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>As part of its mission to highlight and promote the stories and perspectives of Afghan women, CODEPINK has launched an ongoing series of print, audio and video interviews &#8220;Afghan Women Speak Out,&#8221; conversations with leading international women activists and policymakers.</em></p>
<p><em>In light of the <a href="http://codepinkalert.org/article.php?id=4950">current debate</a> in Congress over a $94 billion war funding supplemental bill, the great majority to be spent on military needs rather than that for humanitarian aid or training of Afghan forces, our fourth interview in the <a href="http://codepink4peace.org/blog/tag/afghan-women-speak-out-interviews/">series</a> which focuses on security needs in Afghanistan, is particularly pertinent. CODEPINK co-founder Jodie Evans interviews Malali Bashir, an Afghan-American Fulbright Scholar pursuing her MBA in International Business at Brandeis University. Prior to receiving the Fulbright award for pursuing her masters degree in United States, she has worked with Afghan Ministry of Counter Narcotics. Bashir also writes poetry, paints and instructs English with the British Council. </em></p>
<p><em>This interview also includes a powerful new video from <a href="http://bravenewfilms.org/">Brave New Films</a> documenting the civilian casualties of war.</em></p>
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<p><em>JE:   What are people saying could make women (and men and children) safer?</em></p>
<p>An organized judicial and law enforcement system can provide people security and a sense that they are living in their own peaceful country and not in a jungle that has no rules. A stronger national army can create security for people, (and) the right to live as a sovereign nation would give them a sense of living, free of being used, inside their own country and not in a battle field for terrorists, warlords, Taliban, and other countries that experiment on Afghans and Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Talks among the Afghan government and its neighboring countries, with the goal to end their influence and interference in Afghanistan through warlords and other agents in higher education institutions and government departments, could peacefully help provide safety and security to the Afghans lives, identity, culture, civilization and languages.</p>
<p>Education is very important in raising a civilized nation that can prove to be very helpful in future in securing women’s rights to education, work, health services and such. It can also help decrease the level of domestic violence against women.</p></div>
<div><em>JE: Do you believe that the presence of US/NATO troops is helping with this or not?</em>  </p>
<p>The basic problems Afghans face now are security and suffering from the influence of other countries in various aspects as a society. Security threats are imposed by the Taliban, warlords, drug lords, and the attacks of peacekeeping forces that strike and kill dozens of civilians each time in the name of “war against terror”. This is pushing the Afghan society towards turning into a completely uneducated and isolated nation with no hope, being butchered with different experiments.</p>
<p>After the arrival of International forces in Afghanistan, Afghan society divided into two parts, rural and urban. There are great differences between the rural and the urban societies in Afghanistan in terms of understanding each other and the world, differences between their civilizations and cultures and in terms of their access to accurate information, global networking and education. Rural people are disconnected from the rest of the world and are unable to use the facilities that might be available in cities. For example, in many of the Southern provinces; the telecommunication system is stopped in the evenings until the next mornings on the name of “security measures”.</p>
<p>Kabul is not the whole of Afghanistan &#8212; it was mistakenly thought so by the Communists, now by the international community, as it tried to show the world that Afghanistan was developing by making Kabul the example. US/ NATO troops neither helped fill the gaps by connecting the Afghan societies, nor did it help measure and bring the development by focusing on the whole country, keeping real peace and securing the lives of the civilians, cooperating with Afghan government to peacefully free its society from the raising indulgence in racial prejudices, and help the Afghan government in securing schools so that the new generation could come out of the darkness.</p>
<p>NATO/Coalition forces’ blind bombardment is doing no good for peace in the country. Most of the times, they bomb civilians and that feeds into insurgency. People who lose their dear ones for no reason eventually take the opposite side and try to take revenge by being used in planting road side bombs, becoming suicide bombers and armed fighters against the Afghan and International Forces.</p>
<p><em>JE:  Will building up the Afghan National Army help make people safer? Is this something you look forward to? Do you think the US and it allies should be training them, or should some other body do it?</em></p>
<p>It will obviously be a moment of pride and happiness for Afghans to have a well trained national army that can protect them from every evil. Afghans will obviously feel safer under that shield than hiding under the shadow of outside forces that need to and should leave after completing their responsibility sincerely. Moreover, Afghan national army would not kill and bomb their own innocent people in search of some criminals.</p>
<p>It is not important who trains the army but it is important how well and how soon is it trained so that it can take the charge and start training others on its own.</p>
<p><em>JE: What can be done to make the Afghan National Police into an effective force for law and order under the Afghan Constitution? Do you think the U.S. and its allies should be training the police, or should some other body do it?</em></p>
<p>Some would argue that US’ training our national police could raise many eyebrows. The most important question however is who recruits the police force. One of the biggest problems with our security forces is that the majority of them are the militias associated with warlords. In fact, whenever the Afghan central government appoints a police chief, they allow him to take his own people with him. Thus, he takes his former fighters with him who then undergo a short period of government training by the government. Changing their uniform won’t change their views and six-months training won’t decrease their loyalty to their bosses. Most of the police men don’t trust the stability of Afghan government and think they may need to return to their commanders if anything goes wrong with the government. That’s why they are more loyal to securing the benefits of the warlords and not the ordinary people.</p>
<p>I believe the Afghan government should do a campaign at the grassroots level about the recruitment of police personnel. They should continue hiring ordinary Afghans and give them incentives for their commitment and confidence in joining this force. The police academies should be strengthened in the provinces and security forces should go under proper and complete professional trainings.</p></div>
<p><em>JE: The US is talking about &#8220;peeling away&#8221; &#8220;reconcilable Taliban&#8221; from the hardcore by negotiations between US and NATO military forces and local leaders or foot soldiers. Do you think this is a good idea? Would it work? Could it undermine the government&#8217;s process?</em></p>
<p>We have continuously been hearing about these terms of “Moderate Taliban”, “Reconcilable Taliban”, etc. The point here is that if there were any reconcilable/ moderate Taliban, why were they not given a chance to take part in the government process from very beginning?</p>
<p>If we all agree that there are moderate and extreme Taliban, extreme Taliban are the ones that are sabotaging the stability of our country. We should be concentrating and working hard on engaging the extremists and not those who are not a threat. Bringing “moderate Taliban” into the government and keeping the rest away won’t help secure Afghanistan. All should be free to join the democratic circle.</p>
<p>Giving them titles will only divide them into different sects and provide them with an excuse or an opportunity to remain in government with the name of “Moderate” and continue with their current activities of insecuring the lives of ordinary Afghans with the name of being “Extremist Taliban”.</p>
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